Double standards

http://tv.msn.com/mom-pop-culture/teen-stars-double-standard/story/feature/?ptid=29feba44-d5aa-4706-a332-de5fce4d6884&mpc=2


I'd like you to read the article if you're interested in where I got the idea from, but at any rate...spoons:

Do you believe there are indeed double standards for males and females?
What are your feelings on double standards in general?
Do you think anybody is overreacting on anything based around double standards?

Discuss

The story bugs me. Primarily as it uses the issue of a topless Taylor.

Now don't get me wrong it should not be the case that men in film should be made to do things for the sake of art and for people to accept it more so than women. The case of the man involved in Dakota Fanning's rape scene is a valid point. But socially we must also accept that socially there is a difference between a topless man and woman of any age. Women being revealing is more sexual by a.) the accepted social norm b.) the nature of the media's portrayal and c.) cos ladies gots boobies.

The issue is valid but the form of discussion ruins it. Because what they are saying is that men and women should not only be equal but the same. Men and women are not the same and a topless man is different and its ok that it is. Yes there should be discussion of why its ok for the media to show men in their underwear but why women in their underwear is soft porn. This is more down to the explotive nature of women in society however and the fact that men generally are not used in the same way as women (AS A RULE) do not have the same level of visual instinct as men which is something the media perverts and uses. Yes its an interesting social issue about double standards HOWEVER men and women are not the same and some of the examples they use are not cases of double standards they are merely examples of differences in the genders and thus perfectly valid examples of different reactions to gender.

Men and women don't always need to be treated the same as they aren't. Equal but not the same.

Well I was going more for double standards in today's society as a whole.

Such as the examples they gave about sports, or in the job areas

It's a well known fact women are still treated differently than men, and personally I think our society as a whole should tone that down a bit. I don't understand why it is that a man can get paid more at a business for the sole fact that he's a man, or that you're less likely to get a raise as a female.

Mostly the article was there as the reference for what sparked my topic's creation :3

My gf is all crazy about Cristiano Ronaldo, so I have to deal with that.

I agree in many areas there it is still very male dominated though thankfully women are really getting footholds in the workplace and I believe that in most jobs its becoming alot more equal (though still have some work to be done.) My only issue is alot of the time there are certain jobs that women are not as capable as men at doing and its for good reason and women who try and persue these I always wonder why? It often seems to come from an insecure places of needing to prove how good you are and I find that sad. I guess the only example I'm thinking of is the army frontline. For good reason it is men only and I think women ought to respect that. However I appreciate that statement alone could be seen as sexist but I promise its not. I truly believe women should be given as many opportunities as possible however I think war (which is already a sticky subject for me) is a whole other ball game

I think if women want to do something and feel they can, they should be allowed too. I think of the reaction that comes from Men in power is pride. They feel if a girl can do something better than a man, what does that say about them?

I think thats a bit sweeping Den but in some cases yeah. However I still don't feel the frontline is a really a suitable enviroment.

I don't agree with War, but why not? There's some really tough, hard knock women who can handle that type of environment. If they want to do it, I say let them.

Its not that its the fact that men (no matter how well trained) tend to (in various tests carried out) will more often than not try to save a woman's life or protect her in some way contrary to orders. Thats all I meant.

To me if a woman feels she can do the same job I can like I can............Thats ok with me because I wouldn't have to work so hard. And I work with people of the oppisite sex that get paid for their job at differently wages. My boss is a female and she is on salary and gets like 25 an hour while I work about 3-4 days a week and get 8 an hour. I feel I can do my bosses job since I do because she dosen't come in most times.

TheDenDen wrote:

I don't agree with War, but why not? There's some really tough, hard knock women who can handle that type of environment. If they want to do it, I say let them.

AGREE!AGREE!AGREE!
My thoughts exactly.

Quester wrote:

Its not that its the fact that men (no matter how well trained) tend to (in various tests carried out) will more often than not try to save a woman's life or protect her in some way contrary to orders. Thats all I meant.

I feel like that SHOULDN'T have anything to do with this subject whatsoever (if it is true or not). It shouldn't matter, but I understand that sometimes it does.

On the subject of women and the front line, i'm in complete agreement with Quester. Facts have proven men are much more likely to endanger themselves to protect a woman which is an un necessary risk when considering the life or death aspects of war. I think that sexism is a necessary evil in that area.

Its not sexism thats my point. People get to caught up in the word cos its dramatic and makes headlines. In this instance it isnt a case of women arent as good as men its a case of a scenario in which their presence is an outside issue to a specifc problem and they impede what is being done- via man's own need to protect them. Which is good. I hate the whole concept in feminism that men shouldn't protect women cos they should, chivalry is admirably but in war it throws in an aspect that doesnt fit ability to unwaveringly obey orders.

On the subject of Women fighting in War time, being prior service military, and I am sure there are a few others like me who will agree, women do not belong on the battlefield as illustrated by Anth's explanation. This is MY stand on this particular issue. Like it or not I really don't care.

As for the double standards in life? They happen. Has happened for ages, and I don't see it easing up anytime soon.